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| Comments and Questions | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2006-09-28 08:26:47 | | | Concerning the sinking of Atlantis, Beelzebub says that it was the second transapalnian catastrophy, so it happened before the third and the fourth. The fourth was when Egypt was covered by sand, the third was when the Gobi desert was formed. Without putting a date it is evident that it was long long ago. It was a transapalnian catastrophy, meaning that it was not conformable to law. A logical guess would be to situate it at the end of the ice age, around 12,000-13,000 BC. Nobody knows the cause why ice melted. Among many, two theories are interesting cause they explain the transapalnian aspect of the event. First it may be a comet shower as evidence were indentified in the Carolina Bays' thousands of impact craters. The heat generated by a direct bombardment on the iceshied and the hot house effect from impacts, vapour and ashes could have melted the ice in a very short period. Second, I have carefully studied the influence of icecaps on Earth's crust. Isostasy is a phenomenon we begin to comprehend. The general effect on the crust it that it takes the form of a shockwave before the rebound. So, the crust takes the form of a bowl which contour is pushed upwards, the deformation generating a lateral push on the crust outside of the vertical compression zone of the ice. With kilometers of ice on North America, Greenland and europe, the North Atlantic region was compressed horizontally in three directions southward on all its northern side. Chances are that the North Atlantic part of the Atlantic Ridge were dry land. Pearl Land inhabitants came from Atlantis and their king was an Akhaldan, they logically remember where they came from. In the Mahâbhârata we find descriptions of Mount meru which shows striking similarity with the Atlantic Ridge geography apart of its Paradise symolism and the Ramayana tells the story of a nuclear war from which nobody came back. In parallel, soil samples collected north of Superior lake in Canada showed evidence of fusion isotopes. Glaciologists have found traces of an event they call the North American Icedam collapse. The equivalent of a small ocean flooded in a matter of weeks in the Atlantic after the last remnants of the icecap forming a dam on the eastern side collapsed. records showed that the tsunami was forty meters high even in India 20,000 kms away! And Atlantis was right in the way. After the ice was melted isostatic movements made the ocean ridge disappear in the abyss. If we put all this together, Atlantis was destroyed by the nuking of the North American iceshield. In conclusion, the Carolina Bays comet shower is transapalnian in the same way than the moon-forming comet and explosions of H-bombs are transapalnian cause, can something be less conformable to law than thermonuclear explosions on Earth? I don't think the end of Atlantis happened cause of the Thera event, but i think that Minoeans were among the last remnants of the Atlant people. | | | | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2006-09-27 13:35:58 | | | The comet event.
In Beelzebub's Tales we read:
BEELZEBUB began his tale as follows:
"After we arrived on the planet Mars where we were directed to exist, we began slowly to settle down there.
"We were still fully absorbed in the bustle of organizing everything externally necessary for a more or less tolerable existence in the midst of that Nature absolutely foreign to us, when suddenly, on one of the very busiest days, the whole planet Mars was shaken, and a little later such an 'asphyxiating stink' arose that at first it seemed that everything in the Universe had been mixed up with something, one might say 'indescribable.'
"Only after a considerable time had passed and when the said stink had gone, did we recover and gradually make out what had happened.
"We understood that the cause of this terrible phenomenon was just that same planet Earth which from time to time approached very near to our planet Mars and which therefore we had possibilities of observing clearly, sometimes even without a 'Teskooano.'
"For reasons we could not yet comprehend, this planet, it transpired, had 'burst' and two fragments detached from it had flown off into space."
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"But nevertheless, my boy, this Most High Commission, having then calculated all the facts at hand, and also all that might happen in the future, came to the conclusion that although the fragments of the planet Earth might maintain themselves for the time being in their existing positions, yet in view of certain so-called 'Tastartoonarian-displacements' conjectured by the Commission, they might in the future leave their position and bring about a large number of irreparable calamities both for this system 'Ors' and for other neighboring solar systems.
"Therefore the Most High Commission decided to take certain measures to avoid this eventuality.
"And they resolved that the best measure in the given case would be that the fundamental piece, namely, the planet Earth, should constantly send to its detached fragments, for their maintenance, the sacred vibrations 'askokin.'
"This sacred substance can be formed on planets only when both fundamental cosmic laws operating in them, the sacred 'Heptaparaparshinokh', and the sacred 'Triamazikamno', function, as this is called, 'Ilnosoparno', that is to say, when the said sacred cosmic laws in the given cosmic concentration are deflected independently and also manifest on its surface independently—of course independently only within certain limits.
"And so, my boy, inasmuch as such a cosmic actualization was possible only with the sanction of HIS ENDLESSNESS, the Great Archangel Sakaki, accompanied by several other sacred members of that Most High Commission, set off immediately to HIS ENDLESSNESS to beseech Him to give the said sanction.
"And afterwards, when the said Sacred Individuals had obtained the sanction of HIS ENDLESSNESS for the actualization of the Ilnosoparnian process on that planet also, and when this process had been actualized under the direction of the same Great Archangel Sakaki, then from that time on, on that planet also, just as on many others, there began to arise the 'Corresponding', owing to which the said detached fragments exist until now without constituting a menace for a catastrophe on a great scale."
As a lone pupil living in a remote corner of America with only books as teacher, i found sufficient clues to say that the comet giving birth to life was a real event.
Mars is .532 times the diameter of Earth, it is possible that due to the comet relatively large size (4.45 billions years ago comets may have been considerably larger than today) and the small size of Mars, that a close encounter may have deprived Mars of a relative amount of its athmosphere and water and have caused the catastrophic erosion sings probes reveal to us today.
Robin Canup, Ph.D. scientist in the Boulder, Colorado, office of the SwRI Instrumentation and Space Research Division, say that:
"About 4.45 billion years ago, a young planet Earth -- a mere 50 million years old at the time -- experienced the largest impact event of its history. Another planetary body with roughly the mass of Mars had formed nearby with an orbit that had, by chance, placed it on a collision course with Earth. When young Earth and this rogue body collided, the energy involved was 100 million times larger than the much later event believed to have wiped out the dinosaurs. The early giant collision destroyed the rogue body, likely vaporized the upper layers of Earth's mantle, and ejected large amounts of debris into Earth orbit. From this debris our moon coalesced, possibly on a time scale as short as one to 100 years."
In "New biology of red rain extremophiles prove cometary panspermia". Authors: Louis, Godfrey; Santhosh Kumar, A.
"This paper reports the extraordinary biology of the microorganisms from the mysterious red rain of Kerala, India. These chemosynthetic organisms grow optimally at an extreme high temperature of 300 degrees C in hydrothermal conditions and can metabolize inorganic and organic compounds including hydrocarbons. Stages found in their life cycle show reproduction by a special multiple fission process and the red cells found in the red rain are identified as the resting spores of these microbes. While these extreme hyperthermophiles contain proteins, our study shows the absence of DNA in these organisms, indicating a new primitive domain of life with alternate thermostable genetics. This new biology proves our earlier hypothesis that these microbes are of extraterrestrial origin and also supports our earlier argument that the mysterious red rain of Kerala is due to the cometary delivery of the red spores into the stratosphere above Kerala."
This prove that our beloved Teacher was way beyond his time and even today He stays at the cutting edge of science.
The comet event triggered plate tectonics by removing a large amount of Earth's crust and gifted Earth with water. Some clues about chemical evolution of Earth's crust shows that Earth prior the impact was uniform, granitic and dry.
Remarks: If this statement have already been emitted, there is no need to publish it.
I made this comment after reading that Dr. Buzzell considers the comet event as fictional. Legominisms describe higher realities and try the most possible to match it with real historic events. I totally agree with Dr. Buzzell's findings. | | | | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2006-09-28 09:55:34 | | | Does the expression topsy-turvy can have a meaning outside the human psyche? Can the Earth be topsy-turvy? The answer is yes. To find its profound geographical signifiance, we must go back long long ago into geological time. The moon-forming impact left the Earth with an unique piece of granitic continental plate where is now the Pacific ocean. It was before a series of metallic bodies impacts broke it apart roughly 1,5 billions years ago. Before finding its way through South Pole to form Pangea where is now the Atlantic ocean, parts of this mega-continent were located as follow, North-America at the south east, South-America at the north east, Europe and Asia at south west and Africa, India and Australia at north west. So, now what was up is down and what was right is left, topsy-turvy! Considering the harmonic exange of vibration, what kind of disharmonizing effect this situation can have on us, three brained beings? | | | | | | John Amaral Posted a comment on 2006-09-29 01:53:57 | | | I found very interesting Gaston Saint Laurent's comments, which attempt to link historical events with those described in Beelzebub's Tales.
For me, they are consistent with theThird Being-Obligonian Striving: "The conscious striving to know ever more and more concerning the laws of World-creation and World-maintenance." We must not forget that there are four other strivings identified by Gurdjieff.
Considering just this striving, however, we must ask ourselves, "What did Gurdjieff mean by the word 'World'?" In addition to the literal meaning, didn't he also mean the worlds inside us? In his books, Dr. Buzzell gets very specific about what some of those worlds might be.
I have heard that Mr. Bennett asked Gurdjieff if The Tales were meant to be taken literally. Gurdjieff said, "Yes." When asked if they were meant to be taken metaphorically, he also said, "Yes." (And didn't he also say that they had 'seven' levels of meaning?)
One of the things I have confirmed in working with Dr. Buzzell, is that Gurdjieff wrote some things which cannot be taken literally (what do you suppose some of those are?), but that metaphorically, they may be taken in many ways, with no 'right answer'.
So where does this leave us? We must religiously exercise our 'metaphorical muscles' if we are to ever come close to the goal Mr. Gurdjieff sets for us in his Preamble: "try and fathom the gist of my writings."
Unfortunately, for us today, these 'muscles' have been greatly atrophied by literal dumbed-down depictions in media. Reading and attempting to understand The Tales, particularly in communication with others, is one way to exercise these muscles. (That is one goal of the annual All and Everything Conference, which has been termed 'A brotherhood of the book.')
One very great value of Dr. Buzzell's contributions is that they don't purport to be a be-all and end-all. They support and augment commentaries by Orage, Nicoll and others.
As Terry Winter Owens has said (in the Winter 1997 Issue of The Gurdjieff International Review), "Probably I will not gain anything beneficial or significant from still another overview of Beelzebub's Tales. But something quite beneficial may be gained from the process of fathoming. What Gurdjieff intended by the verb fathoming is a question worthy of deep consideration and one which inevitably leads to other questions.…"
-John Amaral, September 2006 | | | | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2006-09-30 12:05:46 | | | Why so much emphasis and redundancy about planet Earth in Beelzebub's Tales? Have a look on this. "in the objective sense, "paltry Earth" of ours", "ill-fated, ill-starred, ill-treated", "lopsided monstrosity", "peculiar", "vainly-long-suffering planet", "petty planet, with a petty half-dead terra firma", "maleficent planet Earth". I think that some origins of these epithtets have been clearly showed in my former comments. One more, "that most remote solar system situated even almost beyond the reach of the direct emanations of the Omni Most Holy Sun Absolute". Then a little about the neighborhood, "Moon...the chief bearer of evil to this ill-fated planet of yours". What is the consequence of the abnormality of this "ecosystem"? "these infortunate germs of "higher-being-bodies"...are compelled...to "languish" in the presence of all kind of abnormal forms, to actualise which...has become proper to this maleficient planet Earth". The most horrible output, among too many, of living in the presence of all kind of abnormal forms is the bad habit no longer nescessary mankind have of war. But, Beelzebub explains that Moon doesn't need Askokin anymore since:" Moon, which is now an independant..."planetary upstart...began to be formed and became gradually hatmonized...great winds...several regions...buried in the sand ", referring to Tikliamish and Maralpleicie. But, Beelzebub explains:" We can only say now, that if this property of terrestrial beings is to disappear...thanks either to the guidance of a certain Being with very high reason...Beelzebub again began to look at Hassein with that same strange look.", as if this Being will be Hassein. Who is Hassein? He is the Children of the Book. | | | | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2006-10-05 08:51:48 | | | Perspectives on Beelzebub's Tales, p.139:"Of interest is the lack of comment by Gurdjieff on his placement of La6..." BT, p.774:" ... the process itself of the transformation of cosmic substances... proceeds... exactly as it proceeded through the first Tetartocosmoses...". BT, p, 783:"And, namely, in view of the fact that in them,together with the cessation of the intentional absorbtion of these definite cosmic substances nescessary for the arising and existence of higher being-parts, there disappeared from their common presences not only the striving itself for perfection but also the possibility of what is called 'intentional contemplativeness', which is just the principal factor for the assimilation of those sacred cosmic substances...". | | | | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2008-02-13 20:06:41 | | | In, MAN — A THREE-BRAINED BEING p. 43, we read: "With the development of soft skin and hair, touch undergoes perhaps the broadest imaging development with second brain. The capacity to self-warm ... a displacement of 0.00004 inch of a downy hair being sufficient to initiate a nerve impulse.” Synapsids had hair and soft skin maybe before 360 millions years ago and were separated from reptiles. If we consider amphibians as a transitory form between fixed fishes and future fixed reptilians and evolutionary mammals, can we say that second brain appeared as soon as the synapsids? c.f. Michael J. Benton, When Life Nearly Died, Thames and Hudson 2003. So, we don't have a reptilian first brain but a fishy one. I think it could have some importance when we refer to our "paleontological psychology".
As hinted by Beelzebub in the Tales, proof is in Gilbert Durand's The Anthropological Structures of the Imaginary, Boombana Publications 1999, that occidental civilization and men have a schizophrenic tendency because they don't know the difference between day and night. Along three harsh volumes, Durand proves at evidence that, occidental civilization with its unidimensional diurnal regime of the imaginary, which is separative, suffers from unbalance because it misses unitiveness of the nocturnal regime of the imaginary.
| | | | | | Gaston Saint Laurent Posted a comment on 2008-04-02 20:06:25 | | | What is a tritocosmos, a planet as in BT or a man as in ISM? Is it lawful inexactitude, difference between oral and written teaching or else what? Why is it so important to intake air consciously and "visual" impressions in the state of intentional contemplation? Maybe it is because these substances belong to the quantum realm in which quantum mechanics proves that observation (directed attention) has a direct impact on observed quantum bodies. Why not, if when our quantum part is under the influence of our attention, it is not also under the DIVINE ATTENTION, establishing a bridge between the two worlds and making us perceptible by our CREATOR, and because of the DIVINE WILL TO KNOW, making the DIVINE ATTENTION concentrates more on this newly appeared phenomenon? Shortly, the THEOMERTMALOGOS has strong concordances in me with Brian Greene's The Fabric of the Cosmos p. 369 "the shape of hidden dimensions.” Ethernokrilno could be calabiyau spaces or strings and the change of laws is the mystery behind how strings transform into quarks and quarks into subatomic particles. | | | |
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